Comments on: Oracle attempts to calm SUN customers makes them more nervous http://freedb2.com/2009/09/16/oracle-attempts-to-calm-sun-customers-makes-them-more-nervous/ ... on DB2 Express-C and other free databases Sat, 06 Mar 2010 06:23:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Billy http://freedb2.com/2009/09/16/oracle-attempts-to-calm-sun-customers-makes-them-more-nervous/comment-page-1/#comment-4700 Billy Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:38:01 +0000 http://freedb2.com/?p=829#comment-4700 To say Frankly I dont like the acquisition of Sun by Oracle. I am a great fan of Sun but not Oracle. To say Frankly I dont like the acquisition of Sun by Oracle. I am a great fan of Sun but not Oracle.

]]> By: Carlos Acosta http://freedb2.com/2009/09/16/oracle-attempts-to-calm-sun-customers-makes-them-more-nervous/comment-page-1/#comment-4632 Carlos Acosta Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:18:01 +0000 http://freedb2.com/?p=829#comment-4632 Leon, thanks for your response, I think that I understand what you mean and I respect your opinion, but I just don't agree. I went through your web page and there are a lot of anti-Oracle articles, I think that what I do not like is the atmosphere of criticism printed in your posts. I am an Oracle DBA but I surely am not an anti-DB2 or anti-SQLServer guy. Thinks like this happens, business happens, and surely IBM have done like this before with the tons and tons of products they have, huge Tivoli suite, websphere suite, some components were in-house and mostly were bought from other vendors just like this case. Carlos Leon, thanks for your response, I think that I understand what you mean and I respect your opinion, but I just don’t agree. I went through your web page and there are a lot of anti-Oracle articles, I think that what I do not like is the atmosphere of criticism printed in your posts.

I am an Oracle DBA but I surely am not an anti-DB2 or anti-SQLServer guy. Thinks like this happens, business happens, and surely IBM have done like this before with the tons and tons of products they have, huge Tivoli suite, websphere suite, some components were in-house and mostly were bought from other vendors just like this case.

Carlos

]]> By: Leon http://freedb2.com/2009/09/16/oracle-attempts-to-calm-sun-customers-makes-them-more-nervous/comment-page-1/#comment-4588 Leon Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:12:18 +0000 http://freedb2.com/?p=829#comment-4588 Oracle's announcement of discontinuing support for z/OS was made long (almost 2 years ago) before Oracle decided to buy SUN. I don't know the rational but I suspect that it was a business decision to cut loses since Oracle on z/OS has never been very popular. An overwhelming majority of z/OS customers use DB2 for z/OS. Oracle’s announcement of discontinuing support for z/OS was made long (almost 2 years ago) before Oracle decided to buy SUN. I don’t know the rational but I suspect that it was a business decision to cut loses since Oracle on z/OS has never been very popular. An overwhelming majority of z/OS customers use DB2 for z/OS.

]]> By: Leon http://freedb2.com/2009/09/16/oracle-attempts-to-calm-sun-customers-makes-them-more-nervous/comment-page-1/#comment-4587 Leon Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:09:26 +0000 http://freedb2.com/?p=829#comment-4587 Carlos, thanks for your comment and your perspective. We have a friendly crowd here and we don't bash people just because they happen to have opinions that are different from those that we hold. The point of the article is not to pronounce on Oracle's intentions toward SUN SPARC and Solaris. I was simply trying to note that Oracle had an opportunity to backup their advertisement with a real actions and chose not do do so. Exadata Version 2 appliance is very much a SUN product just like Exadata Version 1 was an HP product. With Exadata Version 1, Oracle and HP went to the market together and in many cases the actual customer engagements were led by HP. Since than, Oracle left HP and worse HP customers high and dry. Basically, those who bought Exadata version 1 (not very many I hear) now have a very expensive dead-end product. That is exactly why SUN customers with SPARC hardware fear that they too are sitting on a pile of dead-end hardware, OS and skills. By adopting Intel and Linux, Exadata Version 2 announcement did not help these customers to be very comfortable with Oracle's announcements of continuing investments in to SPARC and Solaris. Carlos, thanks for your comment and your perspective. We have a friendly crowd here and we don’t bash people just because they happen to have opinions that are different from those that we hold. The point of the article is not to pronounce on Oracle’s intentions toward SUN SPARC and Solaris. I was simply trying to note that Oracle had an opportunity to backup their advertisement with a real actions and chose not do do so. Exadata Version 2 appliance is very much a SUN product just like Exadata Version 1 was an HP product. With Exadata Version 1, Oracle and HP went to the market together and in many cases the actual customer engagements were led by HP. Since than, Oracle left HP and worse HP customers high and dry. Basically, those who bought Exadata version 1 (not very many I hear) now have a very expensive dead-end product. That is exactly why SUN customers with SPARC hardware fear that they too are sitting on a pile of dead-end hardware, OS and skills. By adopting Intel and Linux, Exadata Version 2 announcement did not help these customers to be very comfortable with Oracle’s announcements of continuing investments in to SPARC and Solaris.

]]> By: Carlos Acosta http://freedb2.com/2009/09/16/oracle-attempts-to-calm-sun-customers-makes-them-more-nervous/comment-page-1/#comment-4583 Carlos Acosta Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:19:09 +0000 http://freedb2.com/?p=829#comment-4583 Hi, I know this is a DB2 blog and because I am an ORACLE DBA maybe I will be well criticized by the readers for this comment, so I will try to be impartial. This article kinda scares SUN customers and actually have nothing to do with them, This article talks about Exadata, which is an ORACLE product, not a SUN one. Is there evidence regarding lack or poor support to current Sun clients? Is there any evidence that Oracle is not doing as advertised to support and develop SUN products? This whole post is based only in the event of the new Exadata not using Sparc/Solaris, maybe it is just to soon to achieve that and again, is there any evidence that Oracle is not working hard on it?. Please do not misunderstand me, I do not say that Oracle is working or not working hard on Sun (I really do not know what is Oracle doing or not behind their walls), but maybe this article is just a little rushed. Regards Carlos Acosta Hi, I know this is a DB2 blog and because I am an ORACLE DBA maybe I will be well criticized by the readers for this comment, so I will try to be impartial.

This article kinda scares SUN customers and actually have nothing to do with them, This article talks about Exadata, which is an ORACLE product, not a SUN one. Is there evidence regarding lack or poor support to current Sun clients?

Is there any evidence that Oracle is not doing as advertised to support and develop SUN products?

This whole post is based only in the event of the new Exadata not using Sparc/Solaris, maybe it is just to soon to achieve that and again, is there any evidence that Oracle is not working hard on it?.

Please do not misunderstand me, I do not say that Oracle is working or not working hard on Sun (I really do not know what is Oracle doing or not behind their walls), but maybe this article is just a little rushed.

Regards

Carlos Acosta

]]> By: Lydia P http://freedb2.com/2009/09/16/oracle-attempts-to-calm-sun-customers-makes-them-more-nervous/comment-page-1/#comment-4532 Lydia P Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:31:19 +0000 http://freedb2.com/?p=829#comment-4532 "Oracle announced that they are discontinuing support for Oracle on z/OS." Obviously to increase revenue of the SPARC/Solaris platform. From what I undersand, Oracle will still continue to provide patches to allow 10gR2 to work with z/OS and related software. But sooner or later, customers will have to move their Oracle database and applications to a supported platform like Linux on System z, or even migrate to another database management system. Either way, Oracle abandoning their current customers this way may not be the smartest business move. “Oracle announced that they are discontinuing support for Oracle on z/OS.”

Obviously to increase revenue of the SPARC/Solaris platform. From what I undersand, Oracle will still continue to provide patches to allow 10gR2 to work with z/OS and related software. But sooner or later, customers will have to move their Oracle database and applications to a supported platform like Linux on System z, or even migrate to another database management system. Either way, Oracle abandoning their current customers this way may not be the smartest business move.

]]> By: Leon http://freedb2.com/2009/09/16/oracle-attempts-to-calm-sun-customers-makes-them-more-nervous/comment-page-1/#comment-4529 Leon Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:42:03 +0000 http://freedb2.com/?p=829#comment-4529 Oracle announced that they are discontinuing support for Oracle on z/OS. Oracle announced that they are discontinuing support for Oracle on z/OS.

]]> By: Lydia P http://freedb2.com/2009/09/16/oracle-attempts-to-calm-sun-customers-makes-them-more-nervous/comment-page-1/#comment-4517 Lydia P Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:24:32 +0000 http://freedb2.com/?p=829#comment-4517 Hey, Oracle works GREAT on IBM System z! Hey, Oracle works GREAT on IBM System z!

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