Comments on: Oracle kills Virtual Iron. Is MySQL next?

By: Ellison: Oracle does not compete with MySQL ... MySQL disagrees | FreeDB2.com

Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:42:59 +0000

[...] the implications on MySQL. I said it before, my bet is that MySQL inside of Oracle is a dead duck. MySQL’s future is outside of Oracle and in the world of open source with its true masters. September 22nd, 2009 | Tags: MySQL, Oracle [...]

By: EU thinks Oracle is out to kill MySQL | FreeDB2.com

EU thinks Oracle is out to kill MySQL | FreeDB2.com — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:04:30 +0000

[...] thinks Oracle is out to kill MySQL When I opined that Oracle can not be trusted to keep MySQL going there were some in the MySQL who and Oracle community who accused me of spreading FUD (Fear, [...]

By: Leon

Leon — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:44:01 +0000

Darko, you are right, IBM does tot publish separate revenue numbers by product and anybody in position to know can not disclose it for variety of reasons including legal.
On the other hand, I would not be running afoul of the law or the IBM rules if I told you and everyone else who follows this blog that DB2 is indeed a major contributor to the overall IBM DBMS revenue. I am glad that you like IDS. It really is a terrific DBMS. The “neglect” statement is often expressed by some IDS customers however, I disagree with it. IBM has had a higher level of investment in to IDS than what Informix invested to it prior to acquisition. IDS has had more frequent and more feature reach releases since the acquisition so the product is far from neglected … it is actually doing very well.

By: Darko

Darko — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:12:35 +0000

“DB2 is the second largest DBMS by revenue behind only Oracle… ”
I have to digress. AFAIK, IBM is the second company by DBMS revenues, next to Oracle. IBM does not publish exact numbers how much of the revenue is due to DB2 LUW, DB2 on mainframes, Informix, IMS… I’ve been curious, asking such info from some IBM guys, to no result. Informix is a jewel in IBM’s DBMS portfolio that is often neglected, even by IBM folks.
I don’t want to say anything but positive about DB2 Express-C as a product itself. It Deserves all the promotion it gets. If only there were similar Informix offering…

By: Leon

Leon — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:32:24 +0000

Runxc, I think when you say that “practically no one uses DB2″ you are referring to building small web projects, porno sites, blogs etc. I agree completely, hardly anyone ever does these with DB2. Though you can now get Mediawiki, Drupal and a host of others on DB2 but finding an ISP that will host DB2 for you is a challenge. Thankfully the world is moving away from traditional ISP infrastructure and in to the Cloud Computing and DB2 is great and easy there.
Anyway, I digress. DB2 is the second largest DBMS by revenue behind only Oracle and well ahead of what think “everybody uses”. I’ll bet you that you use DB2 hundreds of times a day and may never even know it. When you pay for something with your credit card, your payment is cleared through DB2 and when you make a call on your cell, the telephone company processes much of the accounting for that call in DB2 as it probably does for fraud detection. Shipped a package with a courier lately? Yeap, you used DB2. Went on a Caribbean cruise, bought some fresh produce delivered by a trucking company, got health insurance claim paid? You get the point. Oh, and by the way, there are a few porn sites and on-line gambling outfits but we will not talk about those, they are a bit shy when it comes to publicity.

By: Runxc

Runxc — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:21:09 +0000

DB2 Express-C ?? DB2 Express-C ?? No one uses that and why would they? Practically no one uses DB2 why would they be using DB2 Express-C . I guess it could be nice as all of the hosting companies provide access to DB2 Express-C … no wait none of them do, most of them haven’t even heard of it.

By: Database Security: DB2 vs MySQL and how to make a million ... | FreeDB2.com

Database Security: DB2 vs MySQL and how to make a million ... | FreeDB2.com — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:06:46 +0000

[...] 9th, 2009 · No Comments I recently blogged about Oracle killing one of its recent acquisitions a company called Virtual Iron. I posed a question if the same fate awaits MySQL. This proved to be [...]

By: Leon

Leon — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:24:42 +0000

Vlhka, I think it would be just stupid to argue that MySQL is not the king of LAMP stack. It is and no other database will ever displace it not PostgreSQL, not Oracle and not DB2. However, Some of the applications that you mention like Drupal, mediawiki etc. do run on DB2 and there are people who need/want to run these apps on DB2.
In my post, I was not trying to argue about MySQL’s ability to survive. I am sure it will lie as an open source project. My point was that MySQL Enterprise i.e. a supported version of MySQL that is meant for enterprise usage (not PHPNuke or PHPBB) has a much less certain future. The very fact that open source has already forked MySQL in several directions makes this future of the “Enterprise” even more uncertain. When you select technology for a large company, initial cost of license is rarely the number one concern. When you pick a technology, the investment you make in the ecosystem around that technology is many times that of the license cost. This is why vendor stability is so important to enterprise tech purchasers. One of the arguments when SUN was buying MySQL was that having a company like SUN behind MySQL would give enterprise customers more confidence when purchasing MySQL. I think that the Oracle acquisition of SUN has done the exact opposite. The overlap of MySQL with Oracle’s main business is making many people very nervous. And if the way Oracle killed VI, these customers have a good reason to be nervous.

By: Anil Mahadev

Anil Mahadev — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:12:16 +0000

@Vlhka,

It is ok if you do not feel a technology suits your needs.

There is no room for commenting on people’s titles + even giving them nicknames.

This is a public forum and trust that the moderator will take appropriate steps in not allowing abusive comments.

Peace!

By: Brad Perkins

Brad Perkins — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:05:16 +0000

Ivo,
I would have to strongly disagree with you on user mgmt and mysql. This is a strong plus for db2 not a detractor. If I have 80 nodes for mysql, which I do, I have to create the user on each instance where as in db2 I can do it once in NIS or LDAP. DB2 is way ahead of the curve in that regard. Also I believe M$ does this too… so this isn’t really that novel of a concept. From a security perspective mysql is a nightmare to manage as users are by default allowed to have no pass. This makes the auditors very nervous indeed. Having done extensive work with both databases I can tell you this is one of MySQL weakest features.
kusu, Paul, Epsilon –
DB2Express-C will have some features like snapshots/online backups/easy index maintenance/an optimizer that works pretty well. These things are truly clumsy in MySQL (even in 5.x) on large tables (20-30GB+ tables and even on small tables in many cases). The fact that everybody thinks MySQL is cheap is simply confounding to me. You have recreate the wheel everyday with mgmt scripts and coding around the database. I would argue that this use of human resources is much more expensive than simply purchasing a reliable product.